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Re: Camera advice

Bill Long
 

The Stowaway and its field flattener has a 50mm corrected field.


From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of Kurt <kurtfriedrich@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 10:03 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Camera advice
 
I was assuming that the Stowaway would not produce a flat enough field to make use of a full-frame.
Anyone here have a Stowaway and full-frame that could confirm or refute that?

Also, I think you might have missed that "in my price range". I'd like to be under or at least close to $1000.

thanks


Re: Camera advice

Kurt
 

I was assuming that the Stowaway would not produce a flat enough field to make use of a full-frame.
Anyone here have a Stowaway and full-frame that could confirm or refute that?

Also, I think you might have missed that "in my price range". I'd like to be under or at least close to $1000.

thanks


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

weems@...
 

Yes, there was a recent rash of hijacked accounts being used for scam classifieds. The CN crowd, being who they are, did a pretty good job of sniffing these out and using image searches to verify and report them. But a few people got taken in by the ploy of using Friends and Family on PayPal to “avoid the fee.”

I suspect that when you order Telegizmos covers from Astronomics, it is a drop shipment, rather from stock. If you don’t like it and return it to them, they are stuck with it. So if there is any question, they just tell you to order direct.

Chip


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

Tim Lewis
 

Good move.  One of these scammers tried to pull off a version of the pigeon drop on me three years ago


On Sep 25, 2021, at 11:21 AM, M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...> wrote:

I noticed last week that you can no longer see the classified ads on Cloudy Nights unless you are a member AND you have signed in. Has anyone else noticed this ?

The first day this happened I opened the link to the Cloudy Nights web site. The classified tab was visible but when I clicked on it I got a message saying that I had to sign on to view the classified ads. The next morning when I went to the web site the classified tab was not even visible until I signed in.

I don't really have a problem with this. They claim that there have been a lot of scammers prowling around their classifieds. 

Mike


Re: Camera advice

Eric Weiner
 

Actually after a bit of reading the others are suggesting better strictly astrophotography camera bodies. My suggestion of the 6D2 is not the best option. After comparing these 4 bodies an unmod Nikon Z6ii really does lead the pack. The 6D and 750 are a close second, each with their own pros and cons. 


https://www.digicamdb.com/compare/nikon_z6-ii-vs-canon_eos-6d/


Re: Funny Stories

 

Jim,

The 130EDTs are very special scopes. I’m glad that you are continuing to enjoy yours.

 

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics

11250 Forest Hills Road

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> On Behalf Of thefamily90 Phillips
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Funny Stories

 

My story isn’t that funny but very memorable to me. Purchased from a Dear Friend, Harvey M who passed away last February.

Are we had been on the list for an AP 130 F/8.35 but did not make the cut. In the meantime, he contacted Tom Back and had a  LZOS 130 F/9.2 made. He only purchased the lens as he made the OTA himself. Then he received an email from AP that they had ended up with an extra AP 130! Did he want it? Well, of course he did. He compared the two telescopes back-and-forth for many years. He never sold anything but, for some reason agree to sell me the AP 130. His conclusion after testing both, side-by-side for years was if they were as near to perfection as any telescope he had ever seen. His AP F/8.35 is number 60, one of the very last ones made. I can confirm that it is a superb telescope.

 

JimP

 

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From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of Christopher M <mirfak@...>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 10:30:43 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Funny Stories

 

There is always that bit of fear when doing a big but portable transaction.  I'm glad it worked out well for you.


--
Jim Phillips


Re: Funny Stories

 

James,

 

That was a very inventive and brave solution!

 

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics

11250 Forest Hills Road

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Stone
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 7:13 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Funny Stories

 

My story isn’t quite as detailed. A listing was posted for a 5” f6, a piece of AP history. The seller wasn’t able to make it out to ship it and it was out on the west coast. After giving it some thought and coordinating with the seller, I ended up calling an Uber to have the scope picked up from the seller and taken to a local shipping store. It was a nail biter of a 25 minutes during the Uber ride but all worked out well. 



On Sep 24, 2021, at 8:04 PM, Christopher M <mirfak@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

With enough negativity going on around, I thought I might start a thread wondering if anyone had any funny stories to share related to their AP equipment.  To start it, I thought I migh tell the story of how I acquired my first AP telescope: my 130EDT, aka "Precious".
I have a terrible habbit of looking through the astro classifieds in the US and Canada and one day I noticed an AP130EDT f8.35 showing for sale in Ottawa ON.  I'm in Calgary AB, which is North of MT while Ottawa is North of NY, or ~3500km or ~2200mi away.  I discussed it with my friends and mentors here, Rick and John.  The listing stayed active for a bit.  The price had come down from what it was initially.  Hmm.  No one had grabbed it?  Was something wrong with it?  So I contacted the lister and we went through a number of checks by email, phone and video, and then I decided to purchase it.  Normal so far.  Then we looked at shipping it.  Estimates came in close to C$900 via Fedex and then they wouldn't insure it as it is "glass" and they don't cover glass breakage.  Err..  In short, I took a red-eye flight out to Ottawa, rented a car and drove out to the seller's place in the country with a cashier's cheque, pre-arranged, of course.  We verified the telescope condition etc and concluded the transaction.  Then we packed it for the return flight.  The lens cell was removed, wrapped and sandwiched in two wooden end caps that I turned on my lathe.  That was taped together then into a ziplock bag then into a small Pelican case with padding which was then into a carry-on suitcase which is more descrete than a Pelican case.  The tube went back into the case (with end caps on) which was then wrapped and boxed for airline checked baggage level handling.  Accessories went into my "personal item" backpack.  No issues with airport security.  They X-rayed it, of course, and then asked to see the contents.  I told them it was expensive optics and they kindly handled it carefully, doing  a careful opening, verifying it wasn't an issue, then equally careful repacking and let me continue.  For my return flight, I upgraded my seat so that the oversized tube assembly had minimal extra cost, receiving a nice meal and celebratory drinks on the return to boot.  With the flights and even car rental, it was cheaper than the shipping estimate from Fedex for either overnight or 2 day (I forget which).  Plus I got to meet the seller to chat about and enjoy audio systems.  When home it all went together without a hitch (we marked the lens cell to tube alignment with painters tape) and I have my "Precious" (think Lord of the Rings - the One Ring).  The added fun was when I picked up the oversized box at the airport baggage area, I realised that airport security had unpacked the tube carton, carefully unwrapped it, checked it, and carefuly wrapped it back up again.  They must have thought it was something .... else.  It took the seller and I about half an hour to wrap and package the tube and case into the cardboard box so it must have taken them about as long, the poor staff.  If it wasn't for their security tape, I wouldn't have known.

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And to add to the humour, 1yr I think to the month after I acquired Precious, my name came up on the wait list for a new production AP130.  That was a tough decision, but in the end I decided to keep Precious and let someone else enjoy a new AP130.  Last year Precious acquired a sibling when I became the proud owner of a new Stowaway 92 (upgrading from my venerable Grab N Go Vixen ED81) starting me down this finicky road of astro and terrestrial photography with both.  :)  
My first "presentable" picture with the 130:

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Cheers and Keep Safe everyone!
Christopher

PS - thanks to John Mirtle and Rick Keppler for mentoring me.  John has his own AP130EDT so we joke about making a very large pair of binoculars with them, somehow...
PPS - thanks to Daleen and George's at AP, as well as Christine Simpson and Dena Joseph at Starlight for all your patience.  My 130 has a new 2spd focuser w HSM30 and both have a myriad of accessories.  I suspect Daleen has my CC on speed dial...
PPPS - I think my 130EDT belonged to Stuart Heggie at one point.  Thanks Stuart.  :)


Re: Funny Stories

 

Christopher,

 

What a great story! I loved it.

 

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics

11250 Forest Hills Road

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher M
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 6:56 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io
Subject: [ap-ug] Funny Stories

 

[Edited Message Follows]

With enough negativity going on around, I thought I might start a thread wondering if anyone had any funny stories to share related to their AP equipment.  To start it, I thought I migh tell the story of how I acquired my first AP telescope: my 130EDT, aka "Precious".
I have a terrible habbit of looking through the astro classifieds in the US and Canada and one day I noticed an AP130EDT f8.35 showing for sale in Ottawa ON.  I'm in Calgary AB, which is North of MT while Ottawa is North of NY, or ~3500km or ~2200mi away.  I discussed it with my friends and mentors here, Rick and John.  The listing stayed active for a bit.  The price had come down from what it was initially.  Hmm.  No one had grabbed it?  Was something wrong with it?  So I contacted the lister and we went through a number of checks by email, phone and video, and then I decided to purchase it.  Normal so far.  Then we looked at shipping it.  Estimates came in close to C$900 via Fedex and then they wouldn't insure it as it is "glass" and they don't cover glass breakage.  Err..  In short, I took a red-eye flight out to Ottawa, rented a car and drove out to the seller's place in the country with a cashier's cheque, pre-arranged, of course.  We verified the telescope condition etc and concluded the transaction.  Then we packed it for the return flight.  The lens cell was removed, wrapped and sandwiched in two wooden end caps that I turned on my lathe.  That was taped together then into a ziplock bag then into a small Pelican case with padding which was then into a carry-on suitcase which is more descrete than a Pelican case.  The tube went back into the case (with end caps on) which was then wrapped and boxed for airline checked baggage level handling.  Accessories went into my "personal item" backpack.  No issues with airport security.  They X-rayed it, of course, and then asked to see the contents.  I told them it was expensive optics and they kindly handled it carefully, doing  a careful opening, verifying it wasn't an issue, then equally careful repacking and let me continue.  For my return flight, I upgraded my seat so that the oversized tube assembly had minimal extra cost, receiving a nice meal and celebratory drinks on the return to boot.  With the flights and even car rental, it was cheaper than the shipping estimate from Fedex for either overnight or 2 day (I forget which).  Plus I got to meet the seller to chat about and enjoy audio systems.  When home it all went together without a hitch (we marked the lens cell to tube alignment with painters tape) and I have my "Precious" (think Lord of the Rings - the One Ring).  The added fun was when I picked up the oversized box at the airport baggage area, I realised that airport security had unpacked the tube carton, carefully unwrapped it, checked it, and carefuly wrapped it back up again.  They must have thought it was something .... else.  It took the seller and I about half an hour to wrap and package the tube and case into the cardboard box so it must have taken them about as long, the poor staff.  If it wasn't for their security tape, I wouldn't have known.
       

And to add to the humour, 1yr I think to the month after I acquired Precious, my name came up on the wait list for a new production AP130.  That was a tough decision, but in the end I decided to keep Precious and let someone else enjoy a new AP130.  Last year Precious acquired a sibling when I became the proud owner of a new Stowaway 92 (upgrading from my venerable Grab N Go Vixen ED81) starting me down this finicky road of astro and terrestrial photography with both.  :)  
My first "presentable" picture with the 130:



Cheers and Keep Safe everyone!
Christopher

PS - thanks to John Mirtle and Rick Keppler for mentoring me.  John has his own AP130EDT so we joke about making a very large pair of binoculars with them, somehow...
PPS - thanks to Daleen and George's at AP, as well as Christine Simpson and Dena Joseph at Starlight for all your patience.  My 130 has a new 2spd focuser w HSM30 and both have a myriad of accessories.  I suspect Daleen has my CC on speed dial...
PPPS - I think my 130EDT belonged to Stuart Heggie at one point.  Thanks Stuart.  :)


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

M Hambrick
 

I noticed last week that you can no longer see the classified ads on Cloudy Nights unless you are a member AND you have signed in. Has anyone else noticed this ?

The first day this happened I opened the link to the Cloudy Nights web site. The classified tab was visible but when I clicked on it I got a message saying that I had to sign on to view the classified ads. The next morning when I went to the web site the classified tab was not even visible until I signed in.

I don't really have a problem with this. They claim that there have been a lot of scammers prowling around their classifieds. 

Mike


Re: New Astro-Folks

myrussellm
 

Welcome from Australia, Amber and Eric you have joined a great team and one of the few really professional dedicated to the finest products s well as the epitome of customer service.


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

fernandorivera3
 

Tony you are aware that Astronomics is in charge of Cloudy Nights? Why not pose this concern in their discussion forum this weekend, to find out if this is something that many others have experienced, too?

Fernando


Re: Funny Stories

James Stone
 

Jim, great background story on a fine instrument. Thank you for sharing this.

 

From: <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
Reply-To: "main@ap-ug.groups.io" <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 9:47 AM
To: "main@ap-ug.groups.io" <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Funny Stories

 

My story isn’t that funny but very memorable to me. Purchased from a Dear Friend, Harvey M who passed away last February.

Are we had been on the list for an AP 130 F/8.35 but did not make the cut. In the meantime, he contacted Tom Back and had a  LZOS 130 F/9.2 made. He only purchased the lens as he made the OTA himself. Then he received an email from AP that they had ended up with an extra AP 130! Did he want it? Well, of course he did. He compared the two telescopes back-and-forth for many years. He never sold anything but, for some reason agree to sell me the AP 130. His conclusion after testing both, side-by-side for years was if they were as near to perfection as any telescope he had ever seen. His AP F/8.35 is number 60, one of the very last ones made. I can confirm that it is a superb telescope.

 

JimP

 

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From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of Christopher M <mirfak@...>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 10:30:43 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Funny Stories

 

There is always that bit of fear when doing a big but portable transaction.  I'm glad it worked out well for you.


--
Jim Phillips


Re: Camera advice

Chris Cook
 

I agree with Eric. Look into used FF cameras like the Canon 6D (which I had Hap modify), 6D2, Nikon D750.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Weiner <weinere@comcast.net>
Reply-To: <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
To: <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Sent: 9/25/2021 12:29:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Camera advice
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Why restricting your search to smaller than full frame? A Canon EOS 6D Mark II is another good choice. You can find some used in excellent condition for much less than retail.

Eric


Re: Funny Stories

thefamily90 Phillips
 

My story isn’t that funny but very memorable to me. Purchased from a Dear Friend, Harvey M who passed away last February.
Are we had been on the list for an AP 130 F/8.35 but did not make the cut. In the meantime, he contacted Tom Back and had a  LZOS 130 F/9.2 made. He only purchased the lens as he made the OTA himself. Then he received an email from AP that they had ended up with an extra AP 130! Did he want it? Well, of course he did. He compared the two telescopes back-and-forth for many years. He never sold anything but, for some reason agree to sell me the AP 130. His conclusion after testing both, side-by-side for years was if they were as near to perfection as any telescope he had ever seen. His AP F/8.35 is number 60, one of the very last ones made. I can confirm that it is a superb telescope.

JimP

Image.jpegImage.jpeg



From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of Christopher M <mirfak@...>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 10:30:43 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Funny Stories
 
There is always that bit of fear when doing a big but portable transaction.  I'm glad it worked out well for you.

--
Jim Phillips


Distance between filter and sensor

Julien LECUYER
 

Hello,

I just bought a ZWO2600MM for my AP130EDF f/6. 
I have the following assembly:
- the AP130EDF f/6
- the flat field dedicated corrector
- the 67RLEOS adapter
- the ZWFD-EOS adapter which allow to adapt the ZWO camera to an EOS mount and to add filter by a drawer

I noted the following behaviour when I used an Astronomik L2 IR/UV block filter:
a clearer disk is observable on the center of the picture.
This behaviour is also reproduced when I directly used the ZWO adapter M42/M48 with the filter on the focus of the telescope (without additional lens between).
Nevertheless when I increase the distance between the filter and the sensor, for example with the filter set on the 67RLEOS, the clearer disk disappears.

Did you know this problem?
Is it due to an reflexion inside the tube of my AP130EDF or to a filter problem?

Thanks in advance for your feedback,

Julien.


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

Eric Weiner
 

Also +1 for the 365. I own the 5-6” refractor and tripod covers. Perfect fit over my TOA-130NFB with full imaging train on a Mach2 and Eagle pier.

Eric


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

Bill Long
 

+1 for the 365 cover. I have had my 12.5" iDK rig and Mach 2 + Eagle under one on the bad days/nights for a few months now with no issues.


From: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io> on behalf of Frank Widmann <fjwidmann@...>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 5:55 PM
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io <main@ap-ug.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] OT - what's up with Astronomics
 
The Telegizmos 365 covers are excellent. Don’t waste your money on Desert Storm covers.

Frank






Re: Camera advice

Eric Weiner
 

Why restricting your search to smaller than full frame? A Canon EOS 6D Mark II is another good choice. You can find some used in excellent condition for much less than retail.

Eric


Re: OT - what's up with Astronomics

Frank Widmann
 

The Telegizmos 365 covers are excellent. Don’t waste your money on Desert Storm covers.

Frank


Re: Camera advice

Stuart
 

Christopher, I bought the Nikon Z6ii and it is indeed a superb camera. 


On Fri, 24 Sept 2021 at 23:28, Christopher Erickson <christopher.k.erickson@...> wrote:
My vote is for the full-frame, mirrorless, Nikon Z6ii. Unmodified.

The most fun I have EVER had with an SLR/dSLR/Mirrorless doing casual astro.

And I can use all of my old Nikon F lenses and even my Canon EF lenses on it.

Nikon AF-S = all modes and features work on the Z cams.
Nikon AF = all modes and features except autofocus work on the Z cams.
Nikon Ai = full aperture manual focusing, aperture priority automatic exposure.
Nikon A manual = Manual focusing, manual aperture, aperture priority automatic exposure.
Canon EF = Manual focusing, manual aperture, aperture priority automatic exposure.

"My advice is always free and worth every penny!"

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 5:09 PM Kurt <kurtfriedrich@...> wrote:
About to buy a Canon DSLR, not a full frame,  and have Hap remove the IR filter.  Looking at B&H, I see these choices in my price range:
Canon EOS Rebel SL3 DSLR Camera $599.99
Canon EOS Rebel T8i DSLR Camera  $749.99
Canon EOS 80D DSLR Camera $899.00
Canon EOS 90D DSLR Camera  $1,199.00

I will be using it with my AP Stowaway ( 92mm f/6.65), I think all I care about is
 - ability to focus using the camera back
 - effective low noise/ high ISO
 - ability to use my  Canon TC-80N3 Timer Remote (with cable adapter) that I use on my current Canon EOS Rebel SL1 DSLR
 
I would love comments about which one would be best.  I don't want to go mirror-less as I want to also use my Canon lenses and my 2 old Nikon lenses (already on Canon adapters), but please let me know if you think that is a mistake.
 
Thanks all.
 

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